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Like I said, when BJinfo shut down, the membership was looking for a new home. Of course, it is always the new players looking for sound advice and direction.?. At first not much. Originally Posted by kewlJ. But Moses found a forum Zenzone What happened? And you got to admit some of Moses posts are classics. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome. We may be forced to remove our Forums. Simple, if the person running the show is not fully objectionable and open-minded, but instead favors someone that may coinside with his own thoughts or heaven forbid his own agenda, you have a problem. Page 3 of 4 First 1 2 3 4 Last Jump to page: Results 41 to 60 of Thread: Gambling Forums. Indirectly, he was telling his minions to stop allowing Moses back on his forum.. This is interesting in light of Norm in the past discussing really making disparaging comments about ZZ on his forum. Originally Posted by Moses. I remember him calling it an anti-Semitic site. He constantly preached "more like shoved up their ass" that the only way to survive in the game is learning to use the HI OP2 ace side count period. Who knew these forums would be so much like kindergarten? All it takes is to favor one side and silence the other without a constructive unbiased debate. Norm tried to silence Moses by banishing him from his forum and into the wilderness. Replies: Last Post: , PM. I made the very first post. As far as Norm, he does seem to be selective in how he enforces his own rules. What is the definition of "insanity"? Any legitimate posters had been driven away. Originally Posted by BoSox. Norm assured he would not do so. Norm actually had a forum running linked to his QFIT software site that is why he had the license but that forum was completely dead. BUT, that is exactly what occurred. This is kind of what happened to Moses. If that unevenness goes on for any sygnificant amount of time the shorted side's frustration mounts to excessive degrees and the obvious happens. But all we know how they ended. It's not even Wednesday! These were all long time players that knew Norm all too well. Originally Posted by Bob Zenzone and Moses have been getting so much press, Norm recently asked his minions to please stop discussions about ZZ. Although, once every six months or so the moderator did chime in with the words "the HI LOW count gets the money. The person without a voice losses their composure and reacts and gets removed and labled forever as a troll or thoublemaker. With his favorites, he allows them to call people names and attack them without doing anything. All times are GMT The time now is PM.{/INSERTKEYS}{/PARAGRAPH} I find his humor to be on the HS level myself Everyone knows there are two sides to a story and for the most part the overwhelming consensus "at the BJTF" is that a handfull of troublemakers received what they deserved and they are just confirming what most everyone thinks anyway with their angry rants at the Zen Zone. It reminded me of another person who the rulers tried to silence. Creeping Panther didn't hide his "new" handle too well and was quickly shown the door. Little do they know that their uprightous hero can get down and dirty yes dirty with the best of them. Replies: 4 Last Post: , AM. Sure, 2 sides to the story. Replies: 0 Last Post: , AM. It reminds me of a kindergarten teacher and what she does to someone when they misbehave. All of this was really sad to read about, and that was only one example of the things that often took place on that biased site. The fact is that when BJnfo shut down and most from that forum migrated to BJTF, there were concerns of Norm renewing feuds and using his position to settle old scores, of which there were many. Sure people lost their cool at some point in time and knew the inevatable result but how did it get that far? It's a Sunday! And in the end I was wrong, and the guys that knew Norm best and knew he would not change were proven right. Who was left standing to give most all of that advice? Of course that is the easy way of dismissing it all. But it was me, who took Norm at his word, that things would be different and encouraged everyone to join. Goes to character. Bob-ses is laying it on thick now lol. It was at this point that Norm Wattenberger announced that he had a paid license to the same software that BJinfo used and could set up an almost identical forum. So when Norm suggested he could set up a forum which became BJTF , like I said there were a number of members that objected. As a matter of fact, I think I made the first half dozen posts trying to get the ball rolling and begin some good discussion. When they posted about some of their experiences I often shook my head about how very little they actually knew about casino comportmert, and how to get away with it. Replies: 3 Last Post: , AM. Advanced Search. {PARAGRAPH}{INSERTKEYS}Remember Me? Singer in forum Las Vegas. Yes, over 2, years ago the Romans tried to silence Christ by putting him to death. His popularity and followers grew after the Romans killed him. Page 3 of 4 First 1 2 3 4 Last Jump to page:. All kidding aside. Probably because nothing much interesting is going on over there now Even though Moses has been banned from BJTF, he appears to be somewhat controlling the narrative on that forum recently. Originally Posted by Tasha. Last edited by Moses; at AM. Originally Posted by Keystone. Moses fame grew and his followers really groupies, with most probably coming from BJTF grew to where the ruler Norm had a hard time controlling his minions, as they were spending more time lurking on other sites than posting on his.. Creeping Panther and Bojack, eventually signed on using new handles. One was Automatic Monkey, a real smart AP. Two sides to every story: So 2 kids end up in a fist fight on the playground. Pass me the popcorn Max. Of course, it is always the new players looking for sound advice and direction. But when one of those kids has a history of fighting with dozen of different kids, over many, many years, it is not hard to figure out who the "problem" really is. But with time, word spread that Moses had reappeared on zenzone, and a couple other forums too. After making my earlier post today, I spent a little time thinking about the situation and recalling how things played out and I think I bear some responsibility for the failure that is BlackJack the Forum. Zengrifter was the first banned at Norm's new site. But a thinking man who will not settle for the simple answer, will contemplate how and why did this all happen on one board in the first place? Well one asshole "with support of others" who is noted for saying that the Hi Low count is only for amateurs and socialites. Bosox, before you joined, I posted a brief history of the situation. Thread Tools Show Printable Version. Some new players took that approach and periodically spoke about how they were doing and progressing. Two very insightful and excellent posts by Bosox and KJ. There were a couple small temporary type forum, but we were sort of looking for a permanent type forum that would allow the core group to remain together. Replies: 23 Last Post: , AM. Unfortunately, who were the big losers with all of those barrings? I fell victim to insanity.